tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7115935.post116100168937908482..comments2023-12-01T11:40:00.045+11:00Comments on Dikkii's Diatribe: Kylie the showgirl princess? - Part oneDikkiihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07897381809885423712noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7115935.post-82246642297993998942008-02-11T00:06:00.000+11:002008-02-11T00:06:00.000+11:00Hi Garry, and thanks for dropping by. Godzilla, e...Hi Garry, and thanks for dropping by.<BR/> <BR/>Godzilla, eh? That is scaring the living poo out of me. I hope that you're wrong.<BR/><BR/>I'd love to see a link to that article of Gambotto's, any chance of a link? This blogger is awfully lazy.Dikkiihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07897381809885423712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7115935.post-50283141582745661682008-02-10T09:22:00.000+11:002008-02-10T09:22:00.000+11:00"Kylie" to me is like that Godzilla monster from t..."Kylie" to me is like that Godzilla monster from those old Japanese b-grade horror flicks....the more they tried to kill them with their weapons the stronger the thing got.<BR/> "Kylie" ranges around our cultural landscape being called names like "sexy" and "talented" and theres nothing our critical warheads can do about it. <BR/> Antonella Gambotto got it right when she did a piece on her calling her a "charmless,robotic narcissistic dwarf".But that was just another nuke that went nowhereAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7115935.post-1162384623951956562006-11-01T23:37:00.000+11:002006-11-01T23:37:00.000+11:00Taj - you're quite right about the teen demographi...<B>Taj</B> - you're quite right about the <B>teen</B> demographic being the ones with money. But Kylie would be <B>negligent</B> if she left the gay demographic alone - they're <B>incredibly loyal</B> is one thing. But cross them and they <B>vote with their feet</B> is the other.<BR/><BR/>The teen (<B>and tween</B>) market is horribly <B>fickle</B> by comparison.<BR/><BR/>Tool get <B>Meshuggah</B>. That doesn't surprise me. I always felt that I needed <B>more time</B> to "get" Meshuggah. But I don't think that it's beyond me.<BR/><BR/>Having said that, I didn't get <B>The Beta Band</B> until they'd split up, nor did I get <B>Elliott Smith</B> until after he'd died. I'm <B>no longer</B> cutting edge and that annoys me so bad.<BR/><BR/><B>Adam</B> - Tool are that kind of band that you need <B>a good couple of days alone</B> with the CD in order to fully explore it. I've been finding that <B>Queens of the Stone Age</B> and <B>Primal Scream</B> are also.<BR/><BR/>Funnily enough, these are also bands where <B>MP3</B> and other file compression formats <B>just don't cut it</B> when you would like to listen to the music.<BR/><BR/>(Taj - don't even think of mentioning Ogg Vorbis)<BR/><BR/>Or maybe I'm just turning into an <B>audiophile</B>. Shoot me now.<BR/><BR/>Must sort my BDO tix out. Sounds good, Adam.Dikkiihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07897381809885423712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7115935.post-1162365726536811402006-11-01T18:22:00.000+11:002006-11-01T18:22:00.000+11:00I've listened to 10,000 Days quite a bit and I've ...I've listened to 10,000 Days quite a bit and I've come to the tentative conclusion that it's bloody good, but a level down the scale from Aenima and Lateralus. I reserve the right to change my mind though, as it took me quite a while to come round to Lateralus.<BR/><BR/>I've got the tickets sorted for the BDO, so we'll definately have to meet up. I'll drop you a comment closer to the date so we can exchange email/phone nos and arrange a meeting point.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7115935.post-1161982021459749112006-10-28T06:47:00.000+10:002006-10-28T06:47:00.000+10:00Hahaha! Cow. From my outsider's perspective on wes...Hahaha! Cow. From my outsider's perspective on western contemporary culture, there is a very short window between pop princess and pop dowager. She's well on her way to "gay icon", and while gay people are cool and all, they don''t have quite the same market muscle as the teen demographic.<BR/><BR/>Re: 10,000 days - like Lateralus I believe it is an album that will have to grow on me, but it provides me a certain sense of vindication. All my Tool-fan friends who used to make fun of my Meshuggah albums have to deal with the fact that Maynard is on record saying Meshuggah were a major influence on this album.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7115935.post-1161921065397314162006-10-27T13:51:00.000+10:002006-10-27T13:51:00.000+10:00Taj - you have a point about bold. Nevertheless, ...<B>Taj</B> - you have a point about <B>bold</B>. Nevertheless, I'm going to continue to use them, <B>because it's fun</B>.<BR/><BR/>And no, my copy of <I>Aenima</I> is mine. Not sure where yours ended up.<BR/><BR/>Have to agree with <B>Ted</B> on your point about Minogue being at the <B>pointy end</B> of her career before <B>ageism</B> steps in and wipes her out. Very funny call, by the way.<BR/><BR/>But to large swathes of the media, Minogue's a <B>sacred cow</B>. I'm merely doing what I've wanted to do for <B>a number of years</B> and that is to do a <B>hatchet job of monumental proportions</B> on this <B>bint</B>. And, dammit, <B>no one</B> is going to deny me this, now that I have some traction.<BR/><BR/>Overkill? I wish.<BR/><BR/><B>Adam</B> - I haven't actually heard <I>10,000 days</I>, yet. Sadly, I have neglected <B>a lot of things</B> this year due to wedding planning. And this is one of them. Is it any good?<BR/><BR/>BDO - we go <B>every year</B>. Drop a comment if you would like to meet up for it. That goes for anyone else.Dikkiihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07897381809885423712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7115935.post-1161679979316799612006-10-24T18:52:00.000+10:002006-10-24T18:52:00.000+10:00"...extreme generality of the word and how it is t..."...extreme generality of the word and how it is too easily picked up and used as an excuse by talentless imbeciles."<BR/><BR/>Laughing my ass off and agreeing wholeheartedly. I went through your whole back catalogue when we started conversing, but only had a vague rememberence of that Piss Christ post. Very much enjoyed reading it again - bloody funny stuff.<BR/><BR/>Regarding the Big Day Out, a couple of friends and I are going to look into getting tickets tomorrow. I can't think why we haven't gotten around to it sooner, and just hope we haven't missed out. If we do end up going, it would be great to meet up at some stage. <BR/>And yes, Aenima is indeed incredible. What do you think of 10,000 Days?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7115935.post-1161651428239641702006-10-24T10:57:00.000+10:002006-10-24T10:57:00.000+10:00there is only so much modern surgical techniques c...<I>there is only so much modern surgical techniques can do before you get Cher.</I><BR/><BR/>Now that was funny...:-)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7115935.post-1161649045501608742006-10-24T10:17:00.000+10:002006-10-24T10:17:00.000+10:00Tool... BDO... Greg (Webber) going to see Nevermor...Tool... BDO... Greg (Webber) going to see Nevermore at the espy... I hate you all. India is a terrible place to be a metalhead. Are you sure that's not my Aenima CD? I can't find it anywhere.<BR/><BR/>re: bold/caps - the dripping bile from your carefully crafted invective speaks for itself and requires no reinforcement.<BR/><BR/>re: Kylie - c'mon guys, this is a problem that is sure to take care of itself in a couple of years. Witness self-propelled PR device Madonna writing children's books. Transparently pathetic, right? Same principle. Additionally, there is only so much modern surgical techniques can do before you get Cher.<BR/><BR/>I feel so catty.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7115935.post-1161524868432323382006-10-22T23:47:00.000+10:002006-10-22T23:47:00.000+10:00Ted - about Minogue's voice, I have always regarde...<B>Ted</B> - about Minogue's voice, I have always regarded it as <B>passable</B>. Nothing more, nothing less.<BR/><BR/>Having said that, what she normally does is latch on to <B>highly mediocre filler</B> guaranteed to shift units, but <B>lacking seriously</B> in the imagination department.<BR/><BR/>If she did something that would make me applaud her, that <B>Chain</B> cover example that you've listed <B>might come close</B>.<BR/><BR/>Sadly, I'm <B>just not interested</B> in finding out.<BR/><BR/>You wrote:<BR/><BR/><I>"It seems that when your average "teeny-bopper" celebrity starts to branch out, we get this sort of thing. So many have done just it and I have an 11yr old daughter. She doesn't see it as "sexy" of course, it's just "fashion" to her, but the adults that design and sell it should know better."</I><BR/><BR/>RAmen to that!.<BR/><BR/><B>Taj</B> - I dig my <I>"bold approach"</I>. Would you prefer I use <B>capitals</B>?<BR/><BR/>You wrote:<BR/><BR/><I>"As far as sexualised media for children is concerned - Kylie would be a drop in the bucket."</I><BR/><BR/>Yes, you're <B>quite right</B> about this. <BR/><BR/>But given Kylie's past life as queen of the kids, she should certainly<B> know better</B>. Read on...<BR/><BR/>You also wrote:<BR/><BR/><I>She's going to have to do hell of a lot more than write a book about being a pop queen to gain cred with them - or maybe that's just wishful thinking.</I><BR/><BR/>I recall back in the eighties (my word that's going back a fair way) in K-Mart, there was a range of<B> "Kylie" manchester</B>. I'm fairly certain that the <B>Kylie doona cover</B> shifted serious units. Given that these items were squarely aimed at the <B>teens and pre-teens</B> market, it's not an area that she's unfamiliar with.<BR/><BR/>Having said that, it's an area that she did let go. We're probably only noticing now because she's moving back into the field in such an<B> amazingly cynical</B> way.<BR/><BR/>I think you're right about what she needs to do to <B>gain cred with kiddies</B> - she needs to put in a <B>lot more work</B>.<BR/><BR/>Not that I approve of any of this, you understand.<BR/><BR/><B>Adam</B> - great to have you back.<BR/><BR/>Your imagery of <I>"doing the Loco-motion"</I> at school had me sick to my stomach. <B>You poor dude.</B><BR/><BR/>My problem with the word "art", "artist" and all derivatives thereof is really only me complaining about the <B>extreme generality</B> of the word and how it is too easily picked up and used as an <B>excuse</B> by <B>talentless imbeciles</B>.<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://dikkiisdiatribearchives.blogspot.com/2006/01/art-ultimate-sellout.html" REL="nofollow" TITLE="My word! Nothing's changed!!">I wrote this nearly 10 years ago here,</A> on that subject, and plan to revisit the content sometime soon.<BR/><BR/>I'm surprised after all these years how much of that I <B>still agree</B> with.<BR/><BR/>I have too many problems with that "I wish I was a punk rocker" tune to mention. Just thinking about it makes me feel <B>sick</B>. Thanks for reminding me.<BR/><BR/>Lastly, your quoting of the lyrics from "Hooker with a penis" had me reaching for my copy of <B>Aenima</B> to listen to. My word, what a <B>simply f8cking incredible CD</B> that one is.<BR/><BR/>It's a shame you're missing Tool. We'll be seeing them, the Violent Femmes and a cast of hundreds of others at the <B>Big Day Out</B>, ourselves. Feel free to join us.Dikkiihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07897381809885423712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7115935.post-1161440988036428352006-10-22T00:29:00.000+10:002006-10-22T00:29:00.000+10:00Taj's mention of the loco-motion brought back some...Taj's mention of the loco-motion brought back some previously repressed memories involving a dance routine we were forced to perform in primary school. Oh, the pain. It's amazing how much child abuse people can get away with without breaking any Geneva conventions.<BR/><BR/>I can understand your reticence towards the use of the word <I>artist</I> as a descriptive term for pop "musicians". The word <I>art</I> should refer to that requiring some talent, skill and intelligence to produce. It is for much the same reason that I dismiss the majority of modern art as a misnomer.<BR/><BR/>I sympathise with your "I wish I was a punk rocker" complaints. I have the exact same problem in my office. For me, this is the main problem with pop music: after a couple of listens, you're sick to bloody death of it.<BR/><BR/>Your point about selling out was also familiar. One of my favourite bands, Tool, has a rather amusing song about selling out (although not a song I like very much, amusing as it is). Here's a sample of the lyrics (responding to an accusation that the band had sold out):<BR/><BR/><B>All you know about me is what I've sold you,<BR/>Dumb fuck.<BR/>I sold out long before you ever heard my name.<BR/><BR/>I sold my soul to make a record,<BR/>Dip shit,<BR/>Then you bought one.<BR/><BR/>All you read and<BR/>Wear or see and<BR/>Hear on TV<BR/>Is a product<BR/>Begging for your <BR/>Filthy, dirty dollar<BR/><BR/>So...Shut up and<BR/><BR/>Buy my new record<BR/>Send more money<BR/>Fuck you buddy.</B><BR/><BR/>Funny stuff. I'm spewing I missed out on tickets to the upcoming concert.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7115935.post-1161298038079892082006-10-20T08:47:00.000+10:002006-10-20T08:47:00.000+10:00DUDE your bold approach makes my eyes hurt.As far ...<B>DUDE</B> your <B>bold</B> approach makes my <B>eyes hurt</B>.<BR/><BR/>As far as sexualised media for children is concerned - Kylie would be a drop in the bucket. I don't know how much of a star she is to the pre-teen crowd anyway - none of them are old enough to remember her from Neighbours, and Loco-motion is now music their parents used to listen to. She's going to have to do hell of a lot more than write a book about being a pop queen to gain cred with them - or maybe that's just wishful thinking.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7115935.post-1161151898362098862006-10-18T16:11:00.000+10:002006-10-18T16:11:00.000+10:00I should probably have said " more respect musical...I should probably have said " more respect musically". She's got a hell of a voice when she let's it rip.<BR/><BR/>There's no doubt that once she learned the ropes and got the hang of it, she ran with it all the way. Is still running with it, in fact...<BR/><BR/><I>if she starts "sexualising" children as well, you know, I don't think anyone would notice.</I><BR/><BR/>This is what worries me. It seems that when your average "teeny-bopper" celebrity starts to branch out, we get this sort of thing. So many have done just it and I have an 11yr old daughter. She doesn't see it as "sexy" of course, it's just "fashion" to her, but the adults that design and sell it should know better.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7115935.post-1161142531512993972006-10-18T13:35:00.000+10:002006-10-18T13:35:00.000+10:00Ted wrote:"The book is going a bit far I'll grant ...Ted wrote:<BR/><BR/><I>"The book is going a bit far I'll grant you. Is there a line of children's underware yet? That seems to be the latest rage and a solid money spinner."</I><BR/><BR/>For heaven's sake, Ted, don't giver her ideas. She already has a saucy underwear line - if she starts "sexualising" children as well, you know, I don't think anyone would notice. Which is why we need to <B>nip this in the bud</B> now.<BR/><BR/>She could be a product of those that latched on to her, but as we'll see during this series, there are rather a lot of people who can honestly claim to have influenced her.<BR/><BR/>I have more faith in the concept of "free will" than that. I'm convinced that she's willingly shown some complicity.Dikkiihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07897381809885423712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7115935.post-1161138149197443462006-10-18T12:22:00.000+10:002006-10-18T12:22:00.000+10:00The book is going a bit far I'll grant you. Is the...The book is going a bit far I'll grant you. Is there a line of children's underware yet? That seems to be the latest rage and a solid money spinner. Like Marx though, I don't really mind "our Kylie" so much. She's a product of those that latched onto her as she grew into the industry I think.<BR/><BR/>I reckon it was the Stock, Aitken and Waterman stable that really shaped her career as far as the teeny-bopper musak goes. Once she had the name, she couldn't escape it.<BR/><BR/>I heard her sing a "Chain" number on Hey-Hey once after a thorough bagging from Daryl and Red for the latest piece of S, A & W drivel she was promoting, and it was bloody fantastic. It sat both Red and Wilbur on their asses (trying to play when you're obviously that shocked and surprised can't be easy), which was always good to see and I had a lot more respect for her after she finished the song and flipped the bird at Daryl, who's mouth was agape at the performance...:) A pity she went to Britain on a sweet deal. She could have really been something...<BR/><BR/>I thought that Miss "Strawberry Kisses" might go the same way too, but it seems she's had very different influences...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com